Posted by
Ralphw on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:45:53 PM
Similarities between Mitt Romney and Reed Smoot corrected
This is corrected over the earlier one. My computer froze on it, so had to use the library’s computers to do it, and they would not allow me to “preview”, I kept loosing the web site, and was out of allotted time so all I could do was publish till I could preview on my own later. My disability allows me to overlook things, but this is still my heart, with highlighted corrections. Anyway
With Mitt Romneys matters in concern, nothing has been said about this yet, though Mike Huckabee came the closest when he mentioned about their doctrine being of Jesus and Satan being brothers, and got in trouble for it, correction is, they believe they are spiritt brothers, but maby more important than that that 100 yrs ago a Reed Smoot, one of our top senators was required to go thru a senate sub committee hearing due to having more than 1 wife, which was never proven, but, in the meeting it was asked of him where he got some of his information from since some things he was asked, the answers sounded a little quirky, and according to the NY Times who is supposed to print all the news worth reporting, he said either “an angel in black” or “a black angel".
I don’t remember which one it was, I don’t know if it matters which one it is, but, the hearings will be recorded in several university libraries around the country. At least they are available on cards at ASU Arizona State University on the upper level for Government Documents. Unfortunately the cards must be put on a reader machine as the print is soo tiny that even with a magnifying glass they still cannot be read.
Where the statement is as yet I do not know, but, having told of it to my spiritual son, showing him thru the staff on that level, he put them on the reader and was shocked in and for what he read. I never had the opportunity to read them myself, but he was so shocked in what he read there concerning the relationship that Reed Smoot had with the Mormon Church that, ( oh excuse me, just incase there are some Mormons reading this, they only accept the title “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints”, they acknowledge they are Mormons, but they do know acknowledge to be of any Mormon Church, so just to keep the record straight ) that he could not believe what he was reading. He began realizing something of how much power the “prophet president” of the LDS church has over its people causing them to believe that as “the prophet president” speaks, so the Lord God speaks, so, thus they must do, no matter in what part of life here on earth that might be being considered. Thus, what he “the prophet president” says, it is their requirement to do, thus Reed Smoot did, and Mitt Romney would do. It’s all determined in what they call their Secret Ceremonies. They are bound by a blood oath; swear to shed their own blood if they fail for what ever the reason to perform what ever tasks they are instructed to perform. If I was to describe that oath here, the Mormon Church would be bound to find who ever may have told me, to shed their blood to the point of death, and then to find me to do like wise to me. Fortunately the one that told me is now dead, and of a very horrible hideous death as some close friends of mine have told me after some people they knew had witnessed a Mormon person’s death and knew it was because that person did not have the Love of Jesus living within.
Also as I was discussing with some Salvation Army people years ago while passing by one of their Mormon Temples, we agreed it was a most beautiful edifice built in the name of Jesus but to the glory of Satan. They truly believe they are right, but, a close scrutiny of their doctrines would show how wrong they are. Most people don’t think much of their doctrines since they down think much of their own doctrines. As the standard point of view of most religious people is “two things we don’t talk about, religion and politics” reason being that they don’t want to talk about what they themselves do not understand.
And the average religious person doesn’t see any more of a purpose of going to church than the average tavern attender sees of going to the local pub. See, that is because the average religious person does not realize why they do what they do, they only know, this is what they are to be doing. They say, they are going to church to go to worship. But, if pressed in what they mean by “worship” they could not tell you, they only can tell you “I m going to church” or “I m going to worship services” and what do they mean by “worship services?” they have no wish to touch that. Why touch what they do not know how to explain? They only know that this is what they have done all their years, so, why change now. They are not well enough taught in their own scriptures to know that in their Bible of James 1:27 it says “and this is pure and undefiled religion before God ( almost sounds like a definition coming, to me ) , to visit the widows, and the orphans while in their distress, and to remain unspotted from the world”. How do we so easily miss this biblical definition? Because we tend to think that going to church is enough.
Understanding what our own scriptures means does not seem to be our high priority. So long as we do it, that is what is important. And for anybody that’s a little familiar with the Bible, knows that it was not originally written in English but the old testament in Hebrew and the new testament in Greek, and that usage of the Strong’s Concordance would show that the word visit really means to care for the needs of, but why get so technical? Well, for the average religious person, there is no reason or need to get so technical, but for the true follower of Jesus, they wish to do what Jesus said, especially since Jesus did say. (1Mat 25:40 KJVA20) And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. And (1Mat 25:45 KJVA20) Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And (1Luk 9:48 KJVA20) And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.
And especially (1Deu 14:29 KJVA20) And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest. This is what I see as true worship. Its in His word, and how many realize it?
This is not to say there are not other forms, nor to say there are not other flavors, but for those that are true believers, they wish to be as true about their worship as possible. Only the Lord Jesus has the right to be the Mormon peoples judge. But, if the Bible to be considered to be the true Word of God, then worship aught to be based on what it says, not based upon ones opinion. See, the Word is some what clear on this, for those who care, and hopefully more and more are caring :
This is a bunch
(1Dan 10:21 KJVA20) But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
(1Mar 12:10 KJVA20) And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:
(1Mar 15:28 KJVA20) And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.
(1Luk 4:21 KJVA20) And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
(1Joh 2:22 KJVA20) When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
(1Joh 7:38 KJVA20) He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
(1Joh 7:42 KJVA20) Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
(1Joh 10:35 KJVA20) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
(1Joh 13:18 KJVA20) I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.
(1Joh 17:12 KJVA20) While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
(1Joh 19:24 KJVA20) They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did.
(1Joh 19:28 KJVA20) After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
(1Joh 19:36 KJVA20) For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
(1Joh 19:37 KJVA20) And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
(1Joh 20:9 KJVA20) For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
(1Act 1:16 KJVA20) Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
(1Act 8:32 KJVA20) The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
(1Act 8:35 KJVA20) Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
(1Rom 4:3 KJVA20) For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
(1Rom 9:17 KJVA20) For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
(1Rom 10:11 KJVA20) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
(1Rom 11:2 KJVA20) God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
(1Gal 3:8 KJVA20) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
(1Gal 3:22 KJVA20) But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
(1Gal 4:30 KJVA20) Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
(11Ti 5:18 KJVA20) For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.
(12Ti 3:16 KJVA20) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
(1Jas 2:8 KJVA20) If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
(1Jas 2:23 KJVA20) And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
(1Jas 4:5 KJVA20) Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
(11Pe 2:6 KJVA20) Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
(12Pe 1:20 KJVA20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
See, in the Mormon consideration, and one of their tenants are, “the Bible I right and true so far as it is correctly translated”, sorry, I don’t remember which numbered tenant this is, I only remember it is of them. But, while I do agree with what they say here, I totally agree with these words, but to the extent by which they say this, I have one problem. You see, while their Book of Mormon has a king James flavor to it, I encountered a Bible scholar years ago while I was homeless and he and his wife invited me to be their house guest, an honor I shall never forget. Anyway, thru him I learned much, being that they had been in the Mormon church about half of his life (30 yrs) and out of same church the other half, and he dearly loved the Mormon people, but, in his studies, he came to realize that while their books have a king James flavor, there is no Kings English Construction there. This inpart because Joseph Smith was not a learned person. I don’t even know if he was a charismatic sort of person. Brigham Young was very charismatic. But Joseph begin to change scripture that was uncomfortable to him. Based on what criteria? Some day, I would like to be on a friendly discussion with a Mormon to find out just what his criteria was, if he would be honest with me, if he even knows. I assume someone there knows what his criteria was, I just have no idea, beyond what he was uncomfortable with.
We got our English from England, and Winston S Churchill wrote a book of 2 or 3 volumes called “A HISTORY OF THE ENGLISH SPEAKING PEOPLES” which I assume to be reasonably accurate.
And as many may be aware, we have had our English usage established by Noah Webster 1758 – 1843) was an American lexicographer, textbook author, spelling reformer, political writer, word enthusiast, and editor. He has been called the "Father of American Scholarship and Education". His Blue-backed Speller books taught five generations of children in the United States how to spell and read, and (in the U.S.) his name became synonymous with "dictionary", in 1828 as An American Dictionary of the English Language.
So we owe a fair amount to these two gentlemen. Well, what Mormons I've been able to talk to so far. Have let me know that their not interested in Noah Webster’s ideas. So when I asked them what their basis of definitions were for what they said, they said on the average, “what ever I want it to be” now, I don’t know about anybody else, but I would imagine you, and perhaps most others would not quite see matters in this light. How then do they determine what their words mean in what they are saying? My being a born again Christian, I like to have clear cut meanings for my words based on accepted usages and I know that on the basis of scripture, that if one is not born again, they simply are not saved. And John 3:16, Rev 3:20 and Rom 10:9-13 are 3 well known scriptures among the born againer’s to confirm their salvation, which are : Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. And Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
With these scriptures in mind, any one that knows them, I see no way for them to be misunderstood. And as I talked with Mormons concerning them, they are in agreement as to what they say, but, as I have tried to get them to pin down just what they mean, the nearest of anything I could get them to say that they mean, is the equivalent to “turning over a new leaf” so, after listening to them for a long time, and seeing no other way to say what they were saying while saying what they were saying, I finally asked them, one at a time that is so I never got a general consensus but, on the over all average they would simply say “yes, that’s what I mean” ahhh, excuse me ! ! are all they saying “TO TURN OVER A NEW LEAF” when they say “YES, THAT’S WHAT I MEAN” I'm sorry but if their looking for a new leaf, by scriptures, all I find of leaves are
1 (1Gen 8:11 LITV20) And the dove came in to him in the evening. And, behold! In her mouth was a newly plucked olive leaf. So Noah knew that the waters had gone down from off the earth.
2 (1Lev 26:36 LITV20) And those who are left of you, I shall also bring a faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies; and the sound of a driven leaf shall chase them; and they shall flee, as one flees from the sword; and they shall fall when no one pursues.
3 (1Deu 12:2 LITV20) Destroying you shall destroy all the places where the nations which you are dispossessing served their gods, on the high mountains, and on the hills, and under every leafy tree.
4 (1Job 13:25 LITV20) Will You terrify a leaf driven to and fro? Will you pursue the dry stubble?
5 (1Psa 1:3 LITV20) And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivulets of waters, which will give its fruit in its seasons, and its leaf will not wither, and all which he does will prosper.
6 (1Pro 11:28 LITV20) One trusting in his riches, he shall fall; but like a green leaf the righteous shall sprout.
7 (1Isa 1:30 LITV20) For you shall be like a tree whose leaf fades, and like a garden that has no water in it.
8 (1Isa 34:4 LITV20) And all the host of the heavens shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together like a scroll. Then all their host shall droop, as a leaf drooping from the vine, and as the drooping from a fig tree. 7
9 (1Isa 64:6 LITV20) But we are all as the unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as a menstruation cloth. And we all fade as a leaf, and like the wind our iniquities take us away.
10 (1Jer 8:13 LITV20) I will utterly consume them, says Jehovah. No grapes will be on the vine, or figs on the fig tree; even the leaf withers. And I will give to them those who pass over them.
11 (1Eze 6:13 LITV20) And you shall know that I am Jehovah when their slain shall be in the midst of their idols all around their altars, on every high hill, in all the tops of the mountains, and under every green tree, and under every leafy oak, (the place where they gave there a soothing aroma to all their idols).
12 (1Eze 20:28 LITV20) When I had brought them into the land for which I lifted up My hand, to give it to them, then they saw every high hill and every leafy tree; and they offered their sacrifices there. And they have their provoking offering there. They also made their soothing aroma there and poured out their drink offerings there.
13 (1Eze 47:12 LITV20) And all trees for food shall go up by the torrent, on its lip on this side and on that. Its leaf shall not fade, and its fruit shall not fail; it will bear by its months, because its waters come out from the sanctuary. And its fruit shall be for food, and its leaf for healing.
And I don’t quite think this covers what they are covering. They say “turning over a new leaf”?, where is that here. So, when they say that they believe that the Bible is right and true so far as it is correctly translated, my next question then is, “what do they mean by ‘correctly translated’” ?? Will they ever tell us?? My guess is they will just use that as a convenient statement to get out of being put on a spot. Also, while living in Arizona for a while, while in its Mormon territory, and I would venture you would find this in any library in any Mormon territory, while in their library, I found a bunch of novels, and quite a number of them by Mormon authors. Now, one might say, “where’s the big deal in that”?? Well, for myself, seeing that novels are essentially just writings of ones figment of their imaginations, hay, nobody is paying to read my figment of my imagination, so why would I want to pay some body else to read the figment of their imaginations. Well, anyway, it seemed odd to me that as I picked up one of their western novels, and it described their problems with us Gentiles.
And, I will admit, I am a gentile to the Jews, and I have no problem with that. I am glad I am not Jewish. Would it be because then I can have missed the holocaust?? I have no idea, there should have never been a holocaust to begin with. Nevertheless, they view any non Mormon as Gentiles. Excuse me, I am a Gentile to the Jews, but, the Mormons are also Gentiles to the Jews. But, they don’t see it that way.
And when I read a portion of that novel, I found that the Mormons raised pigs, and while on their travels ( I think by what they call The Mormon Battalion ) they came across some so called Gentiles that had a herd of cattle, and they approached them with anticipation of acquiring some of their cattle, and one of them had a rifle under his coat and having it available lest if the Gentile doesn’t let him have of his cattle, he would lift up the rifle and shoot the gentile and thus get his cattle. Well, now, wait a moment. If they are into replacement theology, then where the Bible is against his people having pigs, then the Mormons should be holding tight to their dietary laws. And the Bible is very clear on this, as in
1 (1Leviticus 11:7 Darby20) and the swine, for it hath cloven hoofs, and feet quite split open, but it cheweth not the cud--it shall be unclean unto you.
2 (1Deuteronomy 14:8 Darby20) and the swine, for it hath cloven hoofs, yet cheweth not the cud--it shall be unclean unto you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch.
3 (1Proverbs 11:22 Darby20) A fair woman who is without discretion, is as a gold ring in a swine's snout.
4 (1Isaiah 65:4 Darby20) who sit down among the graves, and lodge in the secret places; who eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
5 (1Isaiah 66:3 Darby20) He that slaughtereth an ox, smiteth a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, breaketh a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, it is as swine's blood; he that presenteth a memorial of incense, is as he that blesseth an idol. As they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations,
6 (1Isaiah 66:17 Darby20) They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one in the midst; that eat swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall perish together, saith Jehovah.
7 (1Matthew 7:6 Darby20) Give not that which is holy to the dogs, nor cast your pearls before the swine, lest they trample them with their feet, and turning round rend you.
(1Matthew 8:30 Darby20) Now there was, a great way off from them, a herd of many swine feeding;
8 (1Matthew 8:31 Darby20) and the demons besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, send us away into the herd of swine.
(1Matthew 8:32 Darby20) And he said to them, Go. And they, going out, departed into the herd of swine; and lo, the whole herd of swine rushed down the steep slope into the sea, and died in the waters.
9 (1Mark 5:11 Darby20) Now there was there just at the mountain a great herd of swine feeding;
(1Mark 5:12 Darby20) and they besought him, saying, Send us into the swine that we may enter into them.
10 (1Mark 5:13 Darby20) And Jesus immediately allowed them. And the unclean spirits going out entered into the swine, and the herd rushed down the steep slope, into the sea (about two thousand), and were choked in the sea.
11 (1Mark 5:16 Darby20) And they that had seen it related to them how it had happened to the man possessed by demons, and concerning the swine.
12 (1Luke 8:32 Darby20) And there was there a herd of many swine feeding on the mountain, and they besought him that he would suffer them to enter into those; and he suffered them.
13 (1Luke 8:33 Darby20) And the demons, going out from the man, entered into the swine, and the herd rushed down the precipice into the lake, and were choked.
14 (1Luke 15:15 Darby20) And he went and joined himself to one of the citizens of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
15 (1Luke 15:16 Darby20) And he longed to fill his belly with the husks which the swine were eating; and no one gave to him.
That is 15 passages against swine.
This looks a little to me like as the Lord is a bit against them having what we would call pigs. So if the Mormons are the true ones, find those that eat pork yet in any form and ask them why they are eating it? After they tell you, then ask them why they have chosen to violate the dietary laws if they are the only true church as they say. Hmmm.
I begin realizing that, in that, at one point in that novel, they referred to their religion as “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Israelites” a, excuse me, that then becomes “Replacement Theology” they are saying, “because the Jews lost, therefore, they are now the New Jews, or the Real Jews. Ah, excuse me, in
Rom 10:1 Brethren, the delight of my own heart and my supplication which I address to God for them is for salvation. 2 For I bear them witness that they have zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they, being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness , have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of law for righteousness to every one that believes. 5 For Moses lays down in writing the righteousness which is of the law, The man who has practised those things shall live by them. 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks thus: Do not say in thine heart, Who shall ascend to the heavens? that is, to bring Christ down; 7 or, Who shall descend into the abyss? that is, to bring up Christ from among the dead. 8 But what says it? The word is near thee, in thy mouth and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach: 9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thine heart that God has raised him from among the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart is believed to righteousness; and with the mouth confession made to salvation. 11 For the scripture says, No one believing on him shall be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference of Jew and Greek; for the same Lord of all is rich towards all that call upon him. 13 For every one whosoever, who shall call on the name of the Lord, shall be saved.
Rom 11:1 I say then, Has God cast away his people? Far be the thought. For *I* also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away his people whom he foreknew. Know ye not what the scripture says in the history of Elias, how he pleads with God against Israel? 3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, they have dug down thine altars; and *I* have been left alone, and they seek my life. 4 But what says the divine answer to him? I have left to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed knee to Baal. 5 Thus, then, in the present time also there has been a remnant according to election of grace. 6 But if by grace, no longer of works: since otherwise grace is no more grace. 7 What is it then? What Israel seeks for, that he has not obtained; but the election has obtained, and the rest have been blinded, 8 according as it is written, God has given to them a spirit of slumber, eyes not to see, and ears not to hear, unto this day. 9 And David says, Let their table be for a snare, and for a gin, and for a fall-trap, and for a recompense to them: 10 let their eyes be darkened not to see, and bow down their back alway. 11 I say then, Have they stumbled in order that they might fall? Far be the thought: but by their fall there is salvation to the nations to provoke them to jealousy. 12 But if their fall be the world's wealth, and their loss the wealth of the nations, how much rather their fulness? 13 For I speak to you, the nations, inasmuch as *I* am apostle of nations, I glorify my ministry; 14 if by any means I shall provoke to jealousy them which are my flesh, and shall save some from among them. 15 For if their casting away be the world's reconciliation, what their reception but life from among the dead? 16 Now if the first-fruit be holy, the lump also; and if the root be holy, the branches also. 17 Now if some of the branches have been broken out, and *thou*, being a wild olive tree, hast been grafted in amongst them, and hast become a fellow-partaker of the root and of the fatness of the olive tree, 18 boast not against the branches; but if thou boast, it is not *thou* bearest the root, but the root thee. 19 Thou wilt say then, The branches have been broken out in order that *I* might be grafted in. 20 Right: they have been broken out through unbelief, and *thou* standest through faith. Be not high-minded, but fear: 21 if God indeed has not spared the natural branches; lest it might be he spare not thee either. 22 Behold then the goodness and severity of God: upon them who have fallen, severity; upon thee goodness of God, if thou shalt abide in goodness, since otherwise *thou* also wilt be cut away. 23 And *they* too, if they abide not in unbelief, shall be grafted in; for God is able again to graft them in. :24 For if *thou* hast been cut out of the olive tree wild by nature, and, contrary to nature, hast been grafted into the good olive tree, how much rather shall they, who are according to nature be grafted into their own olive tree? 25 For I do not wish you to be ignorant, brethren, of this mystery, that ye may not be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the nations be come in; 26 and so all Israel shall be saved. According as it is written, The deliverer shall come out of Zion; he shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.
Other translations would call that high-mindedness as “arrogant’s” which I believe to be quite dangerous. Anyway
(1Eph 5:27 KJV+20) That2443 he might present3936 it846 to himself1438 a glorious1741 church,1577 not3361 having2192 spot,4695 or2228 wrinkle,4512 or2228 any5100 such thing;5108 but235 that2443 it should be5600 holy40 and2532 without blemish.299 ( the word spot there has a very fascinating meaning, along with the word wrinkle. In wrinkle, in the Greek, it means like that of an old lady with wrinkly skin and the such, so He is not coming for a bride that is all old and wrinkly, but one that is young and fresh, etc, etc, . but, with the word spot, the Greek may be referring to “arrogance” , of which in my understandings, and I am willing for anyone that can to verify me to be wrong. But, to me, anyone who refers to themselves as the Latter Day Israelites is of the heights of arrogance. Especially since there is no where in all scripture where the such is even suggested. That would be equal to the Lord turning his backs on His People. Now, you can find all kinds of places where His people turned their backs on Him, but I don’t believe you will find one place where He turned his backs on them. There is one place that the Lord was not happy with his people, and that is found in Exo 32:1 When the people saw that Moses delayed to come down from the mountain, the people gathered themselves together to Aaron and said to him, "Up, make us gods who shall go before us. As for this Moses, the man who brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him." 2 So Aaron said to them, "Take off the rings of gold that are in the ears of your wives, your sons, and your daughters, and bring them to me." 3 So all the people took off the rings of gold that were in their ears and brought them to Aaron. 4 And he received the gold from their hand and fashioned it with a graving tool and made a golden calf. And they said, "These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt!" 5 When Aaron saw this, he built an altar before it. And Aaron made proclamation and said, "Tomorrow shall be a feast to the LORD." 6 And they rose up early the next day and offered burnt offerings and brought peace offerings. And the people sat down to eat and drink and rose up to play. 7 And the LORD said to Moses, "Go down, for your people, whom you brought up out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves. 8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way that I commanded them. They have made for themselves a golden calf and have worshiped it and sacrificed to it and said, 'These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt!'" 9 And the LORD said to Moses, "I have seen this people, and behold, it is a stiff-necked people. 10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may burn hot against them and I may consume them, in order that I may make a great nation of you." 11 But Moses implored the LORD his God and said, "O LORD, why does your wrath burn hot against your people, whom you have brought out of the land of Egypt with great power and with a mighty hand? 12 Why should the Egyptians say, 'With evil intent did he bring them out, to kill them in the mountains and to consume them from the face of the earth'? Turn from your burning anger and relent from this disaster against your people. 13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, your servants, to whom you swore by your own self, and said to them, 'I will multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have promised I will give to your offspring, and they shall inherit it forever.'" 14 And the LORD relented from the disaster that he had spoken of bringing on his people. 15 Then Moses turned and went down from the mountain with the two tablets of the testimony in his hand, tablets that were written on both sides; on the front and on the back they were written. 16 The tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, engraved on the tablets. 17 When Joshua heard the noise of the people as they shouted, he said to Moses, "There is a noise of war in the camp." 18 But he said, "It is not the sound of shouting for victory, or the sound of the cry of defeat, but the sound of singing that I hear." 19 And as soon as he came near the camp and saw the calf and the dancing, Moses' anger burned hot, and he threw the tablets out of his hands and broke them at the foot of the mountain. 20 He took the calf that they had made and burned it with fire and ground it to powder and scattered it on the water and made the people of Israel drink it. 21 And Moses said to Aaron, "What did this people do to you that you have brought such a great sin upon them?" 22 And Aaron said, "Let not the anger of my lord burn hot. You know the people, that they are set on evil. 23 For they said to me, 'Make us gods who shall go before us. As for this Moses, the man who brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him.' 24 So I said to them, 'Let any who have gold take it off.' So they gave it to me, and I threw it into the fire, and out came this calf." 25 And when Moses saw that the people had broken loose (for Aaron had let them break loose, to the derision of their enemies), 26 then Moses stood in the gate of the camp and said, "Who is on the LORD's side? Come to me." And all the sons of Levi gathered around him. 27 And he said to them, "Thus says the LORD God of Israel, 'Put your sword on your side each of you, and go to and fro from gate to gate throughout the camp, and each of you kill his brother and his companion and his neighbor.'" 28 And the sons of Levi did according to the word of Moses. And that day about three thousand men of the people fell. 29 And Moses said, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, each one at the cost of his son and of his brother, so that he might bestow a blessing upon you this day." 30 The next day Moses said to the people, "You have sinned a great sin. And now I will go up to the LORD; perhaps I can make atonement for your sin." 31 So Moses returned to the LORD and said, "Alas, this people has sinned a great sin. They have made for themselves gods of gold. 32 But now, if you will forgive their sin--but if not, please blot me out of your book that you have written." 33 But the LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against me, I will blot out of my book. 34 But now go, lead the people to the place about which I have spoken to you; behold, my angel shall go before you. Nevertheless, in the day when I visit, I will visit their sin upon them." 35 Then the LORD sent a plague on the people, because they made the calf, the one that Aaron made. 33:1 The LORD said to Moses, "Depart; go up from here, you and the people whom you have brought up out of the land of Egypt, to the land of which I swore to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, saying, 'To your offspring I will give it.' 2 I will send an angel before you, and I will drive out the Canaanites, the Amorites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites. 3 Go up to a land flowing with milk and honey; but I will not go up among you, lest I consume you on the way, for you are a stiff-necked people." 4 When the people heard this disastrous word, they mourned, and no one put on his ornaments. 5 For the LORD had said to Moses, "Say to the people of Israel, 'You are a stiff-necked people; if for a single moment I should go up among you, I would consume you. So now take off your ornaments, that I may know what to do with you.'" 6 Therefore the people of Israel stripped themselves of their ornaments, from Mount Horeb onward. 7 Now Moses used to take the tent and pitch it outside the camp, far off from the camp, and he called it the tent of meeting. And everyone who sought the LORD would go out to the tent of meeting, which was outside the camp.